Monday, May 6, 2013

Do You Use Legacy Or One Of The Other 3rd Party Providers to Family Tree?

  • If so, you might consider the conversation below as important. It is just a small piece of the complaining going on about how 3rd party vendor users mess up Family Tree with the stroke of a combine or separate. It has been a huge problem. Read this and consider that Family Tree is one tree for all mankind. Be sure of what you are doing before you make a change that ends up in Family Tree.
The features in Family Tree that excites me are the sources and discussions. They are making me an even better researcher. I start many discussions. When I have a question or an unprovable for now opinion I start a discussion. When I am about to make a change I open a discussion as to why, leaving an opportunity for another opinion before I make a change.

These types of actions on my part are bringing forth collaboration which I am so grateful for.

Now below is a copy of conversations going on where users of Family Tree have been pleading with the engineers to turn off the ability of 3rd party vendors to combine or separate records:
  • Ben Baker (Employee) 3 days ago
    I thought I'd let everyone know since many have commented on this here and on other threads. nFS combining and separating via 3rd party applications was disabled a few days ago. The only way to perform one of this operations now is with admin access which can be requested via a call to support if needed. The new Family Tree merge, unmerge and restore operations can be done via 3rd party applications.
  • Cathy Anderegg
    Oh my, why? Why allow 3rd party programs to be able to merge and restore and delete relationships? Will somebody please tell me why we have to endure the 3rd party programs any longer? Except for transferring data, like sources, from PAF to a more modern technology, and syncing that data into FT ... what is the purpose of 3rd parties?
    • Jade
      Ben, thank you for this information. It is a big step forward to stop these actions through 3rd-party software. 

      But I agree with Cathy. It appears that working through 3rd-party software in FS-FT still can quickly do a lot of damage. The software developers can not be expected to prevent this, and doing the evidentiary evaluations still require a brain. 

      Is ease of genealogical misdeed the price to be paid for income from licensing agreements?
      • Still a problem because as of yesterday, two cases - both had wrong parents added back in. I had to email those two persons and set them straight.

    Friday, May 3, 2013

    How About a Fun Slideshow About Feathers And Fur. Friday Should Always Be For Fun


    Some Good Tips On Organizing Photos in Family Tree

    Kathy Anderegg is what I would call a Super User of Family Tree. Recently she posted these tips on organizing photos in Family Tree.

    Managing photos can be tricky. Here are some tips.

    1. After you have tagged the photo to someone in the tree, then go back and re-label the photo starting with the last name first for easier searching.

    2. Also add a birth year, if you have more than one ancestor with the same or similar names.

    3. Then in your people section, (be sure to scroll down to see all the individual folders) you can see all the photos for one person in one place, especially if you haven't put a person in more than once!!!

    4. The albums can be organized very differently and any way you want. You can have all photos for one family name in one folder, like the Smith Folder. Or you could label one Prominent Pioneers. Or one Men with Beards, (just kidding).

    Thursday, May 2, 2013

    The Fallout From Being Executed

    William And Mary Repealed The Attainder Posted by MaryCriswell The Repeal of Alice Lisle's Attainder.

    The problem with attainders was that they legally caused the person concerned to be a non-person, ripe for execution and, effectively, any children to be illegitimate and inherit nothing of their parent's possessions or honours.

    So it was always in the descendants interests to have any attainder repealed. In the case of Alice Lisle, this was achieved by her daughters and the principal documents are transcribed below. But in the case of the even greater injustice done on Margaret Poole, Countess of Salisbury, no-one dared make any appeal and the attainder (probably) still stands.

    There are two documents, the prayer to Parliament and the resulting Act: The Prayer Veneris, 24 die Maii 1 Williemi et MariaePrayers Lisle Cliam on Lord JeffreyesA petition of Anne Harfeild, Mary Browne amd Mabella Lisle, Daughters of the Lady Lisle, beheaded at Winchester was read;
    setting forth. That their mother, 1 Jac. upon the Duke of Monmouth’s Defeat, was seized on by a troop of horse; her House plundered, and Goods and Chattels taken from her, to some Thousands of
    Pounds Value; and afterwards she was imprisoned indicted at Winchester, for harbouring one John Hicks, Clerk, as knowing him a Traitor, though at that time not indicted or convicted of any such
    Crime; and by Verdict injuriously extorted by the late Lord Jeffryes she was attainted, convicted and executed for High Treason; whereby the Petitioners were left destitute of their Fortune, and
    forced to subsist on the Charity of ther relations; all the Real estate being entailed on the son, being Five Hundred Pounds per Annum: And praying the Consideration of the House; and to order
    the petitioners what they should think suitable to their Necessities, out of the Lord Jeffreyes’ Estate.

    Order 1. That the said Petition do lie on the Table.The ActMarginal Note: Bill of Attainder in House of Lords William R I doe allowe of the bringing in this bill  Primo Gulielmo & Mariae, A.D. 1689
    An Act for annulling and making void the attaidner of Alicia Lisle Widdowe Whereas Alicia Lisle widdowe in the month of August in the žrst year of the Reigne of the late king James the Second att a session of Oyer and Terminer and Gaol delivery holden for the county of Southampton at the City of Winchester in the said county By an irregular and undue prosecution was indicted for entertaining
    concealing and comforting John Hicks Clerk a false traitor knowing him to be such though the said John Hicks was not att the trial of the said Alicia Lisle attained or convicted of any such crime And
    by a verdict injuriously extorted and procured by the menaces and violence, and other illegal practices of George Lord Jeffreyes baron of Wem then Lord Chief Justice of the King’s-bench and
    chief commissioner of Oyer and Terminer and gaol delivery within the said within the said county was convicted attainted and executed for High Treason May it therefore please your most
    excellent Majestyes at the humble Petition of Triphena Lloyd and Bridget Usher Daughters of the said Alicia Lisle That it be declared and enacted by the Authority of this present Parliament
    And be it enacted by the King and Queens most excellent Majestys by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spirituall and Temporall and Comons in this present Parliament
    assembled and by the authoirty of the same that the said Conviction Judgement and Attainder of the said Alicia Lisle bee and are hereby repealed reversed made and declared null and void to all intents constructions and purposes whatsoever As if no such conviction Judgement or Attainder had ever been had or made And that no corruption of blood or other penalty or forfeiture of Honours Dignityes lands goods or chattels bee by the said conviction or attainder incurred Any laws usage of custome to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Wednesday, May 1, 2013

    This Interesting Story Is Possible Of A Cragun Grandmother - Way Back.



    LADY ALICE BECOMSAWE LISLE



    Lady Alice Becomsawe Lisle is one of our most interesting ancestors. Her husband, John Lisle, was assassinated for his role in the execution of England's King Charles l.  Lady Alice herself was beheaded for harboring fugitives.  She was 71 years old.  Moyles Court, the ancestral home of Lady Alice, today  houses a school. Her trial and it's subsequent reversal have been a well documented part of English history.

    There has also been some interest in the "haunting" by Lady Alice of Moyles Court. "The sound of her silken dress, and the tapping of her feet, were heard long afterwards in the corridors of Moyles Court, and she was also seen on several occasions riding down Ellingham Lane in a driverless coach. Although Lady Lisle has not been observed in recent years at Moyles Court, the sound of the coach and horses has been heard in recent times, riding up the drive to the house. Lady Lisle also haunts the Eclipse Inn, at Winchester, where she spent the last few days of her life whilst awaiting execution.
    "
    -Linda-

    Moyles Court was the home of Lady Alice Lisle before she married Lord Lisle, and the home to which she returned after the assassination of her husband in Switzerland in 1664. She lived there until her arrest, on a charge of harbouring fugitives from the Monmouth Rebellion in 1685. Formerly much larger than the present building, probably surrounded by a moat, traces of which still exist on two sides, whilst a brook ran near to the house and gave an ample supply of water in case of siege.
     At St. Mary's Church, Ellingham, Lady Alice Lisle buried in the yard.


    A brief history of Moyles Court
    by Paul Hughes
    Alice of Moyles Court fame was born about 1614. Since records of births at Ellingham Parish are only extant from the end of the 17th century, it is difficult to be exact. 
    Her marriage to John Lisle in 1630 brought two eminent families of the gentry together. John Lisle (1610-1664) was the son of William Lisle of Wooton.  John was a Colonel in the Army, a prominent parliamentarian, Judiciary and an Assessor to Bradshaw at the trial of Charles I  He was MP for Winchester in 1640 and a member of the bar - the middle temple. He was a rigid puritan and a fervent politician. He was an active supporter of Parliament during the English Civil War (1642-1646) and was later made a Viscount by Oliver Cromwell. He appears to have been a prominent member of the Commonwealth serving on Cromwell's Privy Council. He was a member of the Long Parliament and had some responsibility for the execution of Charles I  although his name does not appear on the list of signatures on Charles' death warrant.

    The English Civil War was devastating for the people of England. There was a division of support throughout the country. Those who supported the King, Charles Stuart, were known as Royalists or Cavaliers and those who opposed the King were known as Parliamentarians or Roundheads. This conflict between Crown and Parliament permeated throughout the land, divided regions, North from South, West from East, father from son, mother from daughter, sister from brother. A whole host of communities, relatives, neighbours and friends on good terms before the war were now enemies. The argument usually revolved around loyalty to one's King or to one's God. Politics and Religion became entwined and were for many historians the real cause of the outbreak of the war. I do not wish to discuss this theme any further since there is a wealth of information from this period of history. My intention for mentioning the conflict is simply this; the Lisle household also became a divided one. The father was for Parliament whilst the son was for the King. This put Alicia in the middle of a very awkward situation. She was not interested in or involved in politics. She was a religious woman but not a fanatical Puritan, disliking many rituals at her own church in Ellingham. As for Alicia, her sentiments about the execution of Charles I are made clear by her comment that she 'shed more tears for Charles I than any woman then living did'. Lady Lisle did not share the extreme views of her husband, and was much grieved at the King's death. 
    It would appear that Lady Lisle did not grieve too deeply over her husband's death. According to Burnett, quoted in the Salisbury Journal, 'She was not easily reconciled to her husband on account of his association with the regicides.' After her husband's death she lived quietly as a widow at Moyles Court and showed some sympathy with the dissenting ministers in their trials and ordeals during Charles II's reign.
    The Presbyterians were disappointed with the Restoration. The Cavalier Parliament preserved the Church of England for which Charles I had died. Moreover, the Clarendon Code persecuted nonconformist ministers, forbidding them from all public office. The Act of Uniformity 1662 authorized a new edition of the prayer book and many Puritan teachers were dismissed from office for refusing to use it. The Conventicle Act was introduced making it a crime to worship anywhere but in a Church of England church. Furthermore, the Five Mile Act stopped nonconformist clergy living within a five mile radius of a town or old parish. The reign of Charles II, far from being merry, was an unhappy time for many sincere Christians like Alicia Lisle.
    Charles II was married to Catherine Braganza of Portugal. She did not bear him any children and as a result James, Charles' Catholic brother, was due to succeed him. There was support for Charles' illegitimate son, James, Duke of Monmouth, to become King instead of James. The Duke's mother, Lucy Walter, had been one of Charles' mistresses. After the death of Charles in 1685 and the succession of James to the throne, the Duke of Monmouth, who was in Holland, plotted to overthrow James II.
    Alicia Lisle spent the first week of July in London during the Monmouth rebellion, but some days later returned to Moyles Court. 'On 20th July 1685 she received a letter from John Hickes, the dissenting minister, asking her to shelter him.' Hickes had fled the battle of Sedgemoor seeking refuge from the King's Army. Unbeknown to Alicia, he was a Monmouth man!
    The two fugitives were found after a search of Moyles Court by Penruddock's soldiers. Hickes was found in the malthouse and Nelthorp in a hole by the chimney in one of the rooms which presumably is the cupboard hole situated in the present staff room at Moyles Court School. Lady Alicia was arrested and conveyed to Winchester for trial before Judge Jeffreys. Hickes and Nelthorp were taken to Glastonbury and after trial were hung, drawn and quartered.
    On 27 August 1685, she was tried by special commission before Judge Jeffreys at Winchester, on the capital charge of harbouring Hickes, a traitor. No evidence respecting Hickes' offences was admitted, and in spite of the brutal browbeating by the judge of chief witness, Dunne, no proof was adduced wither that Mrs. Lisle had any ground to suspect Hickes of disloyalty or that she had displayed any sympathy with Monmouth's insurrection. She made a moderate speech in her own defense. The jury declared themselves reluctant to convict her, but Jeffreys overruled their scruples, and she was ultimately found guilty, and on the morning of the next day (28 Aug) was sentenced to be burnt alive the same afternoon. Pressure was, however, applied to the judge, and a respite till 2 Sept. was ordered. Lady Lisle petitioned James II (31 Aug) to grant her a further reprieve of four days, and to order the substitution of beheading for burning. The first request was refused; the latter was granted. Mrs. Lisle was accordingly beheaded in the market-place of Winchester on 2 Sept. and her body was given up to her friends for burial at Ellingham. On the scaffold she gave a paper to the sheriffs denying her guilt and it was printed 1685 with the "Last Words of Colonel Rumbold" and in "The Dying Speeches . . . of Several Persons".

    The Last speech of Madam LISLE, beheaded at Winchester, September 1685
    Gentlemen, Friends and Neighbours,
    It may be expected that I should say something at my Death, my Birth and Education being near this Place ; my Parents instructed me in the Fear of God ; and I now die of the reformed Religion ; always being instructed in that Belief that if Popery should return into this Nation, it would be a great Judgement. I die in Expectation of Pardon of my Sins, and Acceptation with the Father, by the imputed Righteousness of Jesus Christ : He being the End of the Law for Righteousness to every one that believeth. I thank God, thro' Christ Jesus, I depart under the Blood of Sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel ; God having made this Chastisement an Ordinance to my Soul. I did as little expect to come to this Place on this occasion, as any person in this Nation ; therefore let all learn not to be high-minded, but fear. The Lord is a Sovereign, and will take what Way he seeth best to glorify himself by his poor Creatures ; I there for humbly desire to submit to his Will, praying of him, that in Patience I may possess my Soul.
    The crime was, my entertaining a Non-conformist Minister, who is since sworn to have been in the Duke of Monmouth's army. I am told, if I had not denied them, it would not have affected me : I have no Excuse but Surprise and Fear ; which I believe my Jury must make use of to excuse their Verdict to the World. I have been told, That the Court ought to be Council for the Prisoner : Instead of Advice, there was Evidence given from thence, which (tho' it was but Hearsay) might possibly affect my Jury. My Defence was such as might be expected from a weak Woman ; but such as it was, I never heard it repeated again to the Jury.
    But I forgive all persons that have wrong'd me ; and I desire that God will do so likewise. I forgive Colonel Penruddock, altho' he told me, He could have taken those Men, before they came to my House.
    As to what I expected for my Conviction, that I gave it under my Hand that I discours'd with Nelthrop ; that could be no Evidence to the Court or Jury, it being after my Conviction and Sentence.
    I acknowledge his Majesty's Favour in revoking my Sentence ; and I pray God he may long reign in Peace, and that the true Religion may flourish under him.
    Two things I have omitted to say, which is, That I forgive him that desir'd to be taken from the Grand Jury, and put upon the Petty Jury, that he might be the more nearly concern'd in my Death ; and return humble Thanks to God, and the reverend Clergy, that assisted me in my Imprisonment.
      Sept 85.
    ALICIA LISLE

    To see a very interesting timetable of the events of the trial of our ancestor, Lady Alice/Alicia Lisle, see this website:

    http://www.southfrm.demon.co.uk/Murder/Events.html
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    Monday, April 29, 2013

    Here Is An Important Family Tree Clue Regarding Uploading Documents We Have


    I have been anxiously waiting to publish documents to my ancestors in Family Tree. It's one of the important missing components of Family Tree.

    When I was in support we had cases every day wanting to know when the could upload their documents and should they just put them in the photos section. We gave the answer to wait. That is the wrong answer now.

    Ron Tanner just posted some hot news to the request: Incorporate the capability of using digital copies (pdf, jpeg) to family tree.

    His hot off the wire response: It isn't ready yet. I would go ahead and upload into photos (600 dpi minimum). The feature will allow you to upload a photo or take an existing photo and make a source out of it."

    I am sure this will bring a wave of uploads to photos. Just remember what you posted there as  it appears you will need to go back and link the items to sources.

    I have much to do right now, I think I will likely wait to see the component in finished form. Sure I will. Yeah. Right. OK, maybe I will wait.

    :

    Friday, April 26, 2013

    So Long Farewell


    It's official. Our mission has ended. What a great group to serve with. This is our zone missionary photo, taken last month. We serve patron questions that come in by phone, instant message, and email. Hundreds of support questions come in each day. Next week 7 new missionaries start in the zone (1 of 21 in our mission) and 7 of us are being released.

    Serving here is a wonderful experience. We had an exit interview with Mission President and Sister Wayne Peterson. He asked me what were the positive things that were meaningful to me about our mission. My answer was that there were two that stood out. 1- The tremendous opportunity to learn about family history and genealogy. So many resources are here if we take advantage of them. 2- The spirit here. It is like we are bathed in the spirit continually. The spirit our fellow missionaries exude, so many devotionals to set the spirit, the entire campus that we serve in whether we are in one of the libraries, in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building, walking around the Temple Square Campus, or in the Church Office Building. It has been truly important to me.

    I have both grown and shrunk here: grown spiritually and gotten control over my weight.

    You might notice the young elders, missionaries in the photo. I call them the heart and soul of the mission. There are currently 70 that can serve here. They and their families must go through an interview with the mission couple that oversees them. If they want us and we want them they get in line to be called here. There are now 58 on the waiting list. The employees are figuring out how sharp some of them are and are asking the Church to send more here, thus the number 70 is going to 76. Bringing them in is a matter of where they will serve and housing. We have limited mission housing, even for the senior couples. If you bring your own furniture as we did, you cannot use mission housing.

    The missionaries are divided into two Branches for Church meeting and functions. Our branch has the Young Elders. When you are on your way in or out there is a special Branch Hail and Farewell dinner. Here are the words to the Farewell song, sung to the tune of So Long Farewell:

    So long, thank you,
    for service kindly given.
    We'll see you again,
    though it may be in heaven.

    So long, farewell....
    We hate to see you go....
    But were so glad it's you
    we go to know..

    We know you simply
    cannot always stay....
    May life be good to you
    and yours, we pray.

    So long, farwell,
    auf Wiedershen, adieu.
    We say good bye
    to you and you and you.....

    Good bye....

    Goodbye....  

    good bye...

    We have been blessed by serving here. This summer it's going to be a great summer of visiting family and maybe for the first time in our lives feeling like we had retired. We went right from working our careers to this mission. I am guessing this fall we will be thinking of what is next. Who knows, we might become like many we served with, serving multiple missions. 

    Thursday, April 25, 2013

    A Message To The Critics. BE

    Nice T-shirt

    All of those at FamilySearch and Family Tree who answer your email, chat, and phone calls are here supporting your questions as volunteers, either full time, part time, or missionaries serving from home. There are about 500 of us. It is a rewarding service we give.

    It would be better if many of the patrons were nicer. A missionary recently commented that when she arrived and started handling cases she thought she would hate it here. Grumble, mumble, and complain. Gripe right. And then she helped someone who was more than grateful. That made her decide it was a good thing, being here.

    A lot of the complaining is merely because something on the website was moved and is different. Wow, did that bring on an onslaught of complaining last week. Personally, I skipped by the gripers, I decided I was in a mood I might not be the responder I should be.

    It was not all bad, a lot of people just emailed to thank us for our work, and for how awesome Family Tree is. Thanks to you.

    I'm done serving tomorrow. I will miss it. Not so much the gripers and naughty ones.

    By the way, personally, when it comes to Family Tree - I LOVE IT!

    Tuesday, April 23, 2013

    Sometimes People Need To Communicate Better

    Phone call 144/365 (Year 2)

    One day I realized that several of the cases we were receiving were really wild and funny. 
    People were emailing the darndest things.
    Here are a few: See if you can figure out how to help them.

    1- I want to find my sister. Please help.

    2- I want to report a problem. When I go to FamilySearch to search for an ancestor, I can't find them.

    3- FamilySearch chose the birth place of Patrick Anderson, Why?

    4- I cannot locate the following people in my tree: Mr. Bateman and Mrs. Bateman. I would like to find them. 

    5- I am searching for my grandmother. Can you help please?

    6- I have 30,000 names. Maybe I broke it!! 

    7-  Why is my husband birthday incorrect?

    And these were all in one day. Fun!

    Monday, April 22, 2013

    Which Is Her Daddy?

    One of the not so obvious tasks in Family Tree (I hear it will be made easier) is selecting the father or mother you want to show up in the Family Tree.

    In my case, do I want Edward The Rogue South
    who fathered my mother in the tree. Even more curious will my sisters, my cousins, or other relatives select him? I guess that's a matter of collaborating to decide.

    However, when we want to change who is selected, the process is not so simple to figure out in Family Tree.

    The developers call this "Preferred Parents And Spouses"


    In my case if I want to set Thomas Salinas, who my mother knew as Daddy, who grandmother Nancy was married to in the Logan Temple as the person in the tree you can currently do it in new.familysearch





    or you can pick Thomas as an example: by going to the child node, which when you click it brings up the parent link you want to be in the tree. This choice will remain if you do it that way.








    Saturday, April 20, 2013

    Genea-Musings, A Blog To Follow

    Randy Seaver Says about himself, "I am a native San Diegan, a graduate of San Diego State University, a retired aerospace engineer, a genealogist and a family guy."

    His blog posts are worth following. Randy recently questioned the layout of the new FamilySearch.org website and immediately had the attention of the techies at FamilySearch. Thanks to his questions some changes immediately took place. 

    The blog has been up since 2006 and is loaded with content. Randy must love it as he posts often.

    Make Randy's website a regular stop.

    Click here.

    Tuesday, April 16, 2013

    3 Cheers For FamilySearch - The Upgrade Is Going Live This Morning Check it out now



    CheeringWhat a team those developers are. They were up through the early hours with the big question, is it a go or a no  go?  For weeks the target was today and today it is.

    I am writing as we go into a support group webinar. You are getting the latest info.

    It looks like Family Tree is live and FamilySearch is not yet.

    I will be updating this throughout the day as I see more changes.

    1- Everyone will have access to publish photos and stories. At first they will add 200 per day to test out the band width impact.

    2- There is a new design. I like it.
    3- Anyone can easily get live help via chat, phone, or email. This includes research help.

    4- It will be easy to find a local LDS Family History Centers. (There are 4,000 English Speaking)

    5-  The new fan chart is cool.


     
     
     
     
    If you have a problem use anything but Internet Explorer 9 as your browser.
     
    They didn't make it with the printing functions. Dang.